I’m not averse to criticism. I criticize most things that enter my field of vision, so I expect some of it to come back in my direction — both to me personally and the things that I like. So I’m fine with people saying that the Black Keys are better than the White Stripes and that “The Wire” is overrated. You’re wrong and I hate you, but that’s fine. You’re entitled to your idiotic worldview that stems from generations of inbreeding.
What’s not fine is pointy-headed intellectualism burning away precious minutes of my life with pointless nit-picking. Take it away, New Republic:
Last Sunday’s third episode of this season’s Mad Men was one of the best in the series on many levels, which was why for me, a frequent little problem with the show stood out more than ever. Namely, the show’s depiction of how people speak is less accurate than the loving exactitude with attire, cocktails, product labels, and the like.
Wait a minute. You mean actors’ dialogue isn’t how people actually speak in real life? BRING ME THE HEAD OF DAVID MAMET ON A STICK.
The most glaring example in this episode was what seems to have gone down as a memorable line from Peggy Olson, erstwhile secretary who is slowly climbing the corporate ladder. “I’m in a good place right now,” she says, which is dramatically compelling – it makes Peggy seem “cool,” a proto-feminist on her way to our modern reality, in contrast to what a dowdy little twinkie she seemed to be when we first met her. But would that woman use that expression in 1963?
Oh Jesus. I hate this writer so much, and I still have so far to go.
Not that the expression is as new as many may think.
Actually, I don’t think about how old expressions are. Because I’m not a total gaywad.
Locutions have a way of going further back than intuition would suggest, just as it is something of a surprise to find out that the first McDonald’s opened way back in 1948 (or the first Wendy’s in 1969). I, for one, first heard “I’m in a good place” from a person of a rather New Age-y frame of mind in September 1994, and that certainly wasn’t the month it originated.
Who in God’s name recalls the first time they heard a throwaway phrase 15 years ago?
However, would a secretary from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, in a frilly collar have said “I’m in a good place right now” 31 years before that?
Maybe! Why the hell not?
Note, the issue is not a literal usage concerning physical location – some might think of the quotation from James 2, “And if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say ‘You sit here in a good place,’ while you say to the poor man ‘You sit over there’ …”. Catholic Peggy may well have known that passage. However, its modern usage is metaphorical, having to do with spirit and development. It wasn’t something Marlo Thomas’ Ann-Marie on That Girl would have said, even when she was in a good place.
In Sunday’s Mad Men episode, therefore, when Jennifer Crane gets up and takes her husband over the Drapers’ table saying “I want to” see how they are, crisply pronouncing want separately from to, it’s false. That woman, even with her poise and aggressive social aspirations, would have said wanna just as we all do when we are not reading from text or laying down an answering mcahine [sic] message. The want to would have been all the more unlikely from someone who had had a drink or two (especially the stiff ones still ordinary on Mad Men as opposed to today’s Chardonnay).
I’ve never met a linguist before. If I ever do, I’ll begin the conversation by punching them in the guts until they spit blood.
Vincent Kartheiser’s Pete Campbell talks this way constantly, the idea being to convey that he is a high-WASP scion. However, people are people and especially, boys have always been boys. Would a real Pete Campbell, even knocking back highballs as is his wont, really casually talk like a Hardy Boy with the crisp, measured diction?
Are all these questions rhetorical?
I certainly understand that Mad Men is a confection, and on a certain level enjoy the characters’ aristocratic tones as an artifice just as we all enjoy the too-perfect costumes and saturated color. However, an artifice it is: when we read of producer Matthew Weiner and his crew attending to actors “getting the language right,” the “right” in question is not the same kind of “right” as concerns the toys and fabrics and magazine fonts.
Oh no! Something on a scripted television show doesn’t accurately reflect real life! Hey buddy, how did they say “Choke on my cock” in 1963?



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Peggy: “I am so high.”
Me: laughing for the better part of 3 minutes.
Hey, McWhorter: I can wank it for even longer than that without blowing my wad! “Want to” have a contest?
But, the Black Keys *are* better than the White Stripes.
@Doug: great point – only shitty directors instruct their actors to slur when they’re “drunk,” only shitty actors comply.
“Cut the cheese” was used in “American Graffiti” which was set in ’62, I believe.
BadKarma,
The first time I heard “cut the cheese”, I was but a small boy, barely as high as my grampy’s hip waders. It was 1982 and my brother uttered those words following an abrupt bout with flatulence.
Now, if that’s the first time I heard it, could that have been used 19 years before?
Apparently he’s never heard a drunk over-enunciate before either. Shit, that’s how I know when certain friends ARE hammered.
This show is really good….but the complexity and character development of The Hills is second to none.
Dave, or should I say, John *McWhorter*? Is the idiom “Cut the cheese” also an anachronism for the show’s period? I don’t remember who was the first documented person to use the phrase.
… no, but for real, the Black Keys are better than the White Stripes.
Both are great. One is greater.
This guy needs a good swift kick to the teeth, i love that he centers his argument around Peggy’s “i’m in a good place right now” completely leaving out the fact that in that scene in the show she is BLAZED out of her mind. ..what a shit
Also, Dave, since we’re on a blog known for profanity and childishness, it would be “it’s not FUCKING flawless, you cock-stroker.”
There. See how annoying that was? I was right, but I’m still an asshole.
@Dave:
but it’s not f-ing flawless.
That’s why I said I’m fine with criticism of things I like.
This guy’s right.
It’s not that he isn’t right, it’s that he comes off as a gigantic cockwrangler.
Yeah, but anyone (ANYONE) who is a nitpicky, grammar nazi oh you used blah blah in stead of blah Blah with a funny accent, deserves at least a chainsaw to the face
This is why kids need bullies. I bet this guy grew up in a world where everyone loved each other so now he does this for a living.
Wow, you really need to get off the nuts of that show. It’s the best show on tv, we get it, but it’s not f-ing flawless. This guy’s right. One of the things that Mad Men prides itself on (and rightfully so) is attention to detail. It’s NOT written by David Mamet and they do TRY to be authentic in dialogue, so it’s only fair to point out when it falls short. Everything is flawed.
…..and molested by Grandpa Gene.
This guy needs to get raped by Joan’s husband.
Hey, you finally posted a picture of that one broad who cancels out the hotness of the other dames on the show.
That’s way I only read The Old Republic.
The fact he can supposedly pinpoint the month he remembered a random phrase annoys me even more than anything he said about the show.
/hides Rutgers diploma
I think it’s kind of unfair to use that photo of Elizabeth Moss along with that headline. She doesn’t deserve a punch in the nuts at all. I’m not even sure she has nuts to punch.
/check anatomy textbook, nods head, congratulates self for being correct.
I can kind of see his point (don’t hurt me!) that it’s kind of (or “kinda”) strange that Weiner is notoriously fanatical about get all the period details right, but accepts anachronism in one of the most important elements of the show. Still, it takes a real pissy little bitch to write an entire essay about it.
When you said the New Republic had criticisms of Mad Men, I just assumed they were mad that Don Draper wasn’t being played by Joe Lieberman.
The New Republic writer sounds like Frasier Crane’s gay brother, what’s his name…you know the gay one.
Nobody tell this guy about the clock in Julius Caesar. He’ll lose his shit.
What a pompous douchebag. I interpret this review as a pathetic attempt impress us, the huddled masses, by flexing his intellectual prowess. It doesn’t work. A quick google of his name reveals that he went to Rutgers for undergrad. I’m not impressed.
Why is every linguist a complete jackass? (looking at you, Chomsky)
By the way, his name is John McWhorter! HAHA! You know, ’cause it sounds like…
This guy needs to get pissed on by Freddie Rumsen.